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6th Ave Protected Bicycle Lane Updated Design Concept

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This latest concept design shows the improvements planned as part of the 6th Ave Protected Bicycle Lane Project. Add your comments to tell the City of Tucson what you like, what changes you see, if there are more issues in the project area that you'd like us to address.

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in reply to Adrian Vilcox's comment
Suggestion
Hi Adrian,
We started with a design that included protected bike lanes between 5th St and 7th St, but we heard pretty clearly from business owners that removing on-street parking was highly undesirable from their perspective. I understand that you'd prefer a protected bike lane. In this case, we needed to make a compromise to address the needs and preferences of the users and stakeholders. Sorry it feels "half assed" to you!
in reply to Elise's comment
Suggestion
Good question Elise. Toole Design Group, who is a national expert on bicycle facility design and the author of national design guidance on protected bike lanes, took a close look at sight visibility at each intersection along the project. We tasked them with making sure people driving and biking could see each other from all approaches/directions while keeping as much on-street parking as possible. They are feeling pretty confident that this design will maintain sight visibility for all users at intersection approaches.
Question
Why are we not doing a protected bike lane throughout the project? This is such a pointless endeavor if you do not put safe bike infrastructure throughout! Why is everything half assed just to save a few parking spots?!
in reply to Marie Smith's comment
Suggestion
I agree with Marie. I live on this corner and you have back in spaces drawn on the NE corner of 4thst/6th ave, which is a permitted area. If you remove this block from the permitted program it will make it exceedingly difficult to park in our designated permitted spots….that we pay yearly. Additionally, the traffic will have an awkward flow to it as the rest of the street has parallel parking.
Suggestion
I am excited for this project! My one concern is that it is very difficult to see oncoming traffic if turning onto 6th ave from 4th street (turning north OR south) due to on street parking on 6th ave. Is it possible to have more of a setback for on street parking at all of these intersections to increase visibility?

The current street parking on 6th ave ends very close to each intersection making it difficult to see oncoming traffic, I often have to pull forward into the intersection to see properly.

I don’t want to block the new bike lane to make this turn safely.

It looks like on the map there is some setback for the parking, just hoping it s adequate.
in reply to J Mark Howell's comment
Suggestion
Hi Mark,

I totally see what you're saying here, and in a world with no funding or stormwater constraints I'd love to see wider, continuous raised medians with planting areas. What you're proposing would require extensive construction, and our budget assumes we will not modify the locations of existing curbs. We also have a good amount of stormwater flowing down and across 6th Ave when it rains, so the narrow raised medians with openings that maintain existing water flow patterns is what works in most areas. There are some areas where only the flexible posts will work due to stormwater flow. We will place the flexible posts strategically so that they align with parking areas where passenger-side doors will not strike them. They will be placed in a buffer area that is wide enough that if car doors open, they will not swing into the bike lane.
in reply to Adam Milnor's comment
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Thanks for this feedback Adam. We've been disappointed with the durability of the zebras. So far the K71 posts on Silverbell are holding up fairly well.
in reply to Adam Milnor's comment
Suggestion
Thanks Adam. What you're saying makes sense! Creating a connected network of low-stress bikeways is certainly something we're working toward, one step at at time. One thing we're working on is completing the path connection on the east side of 6th Ave from the underpass to 7th St, which will make both investments more usable. That's something we hope to implement on a similar timeline to this 6th Ave project. The shared use path on the west side of 6th Ave that begins at 7th St is open now, but for the moment it ends at the Stone overcrossing. When Downtown Links is complete (summer of this year) that path will take people over Stone, where they can connect to the (under construction) 9th Ave-Castro Bike Blvd (to the north) and eventually the Church Ave Complete Street Project, which includes protected bike lanes. Appreciate your patience as we work to connect the network!
in reply to Marie Smith's comment
Suggestion
Thanks for this feedback Marie. We know the neighborhood is sensitive to losing on-street parking on 6th Ave, so the thought here was that we might be able to add some additional parking on the side streets. But if this is not desired it doesn't have to be part of this project.
in reply to Chris Leighton's comment
Suggestion
Good question Chris. We considered doing this, and in fact staff recommended proceeding with the design you are suggesting to the committee that oversees the implementation of project funded by Proposition 407 (the funding source for this project). The Proposition 407 Bond Oversight Commission felt strongly that installing a curb-protected bike lane was the better option, and cited the comfort and safety of people biking, as well as the desire to stay consistent with the project description included in the voter materials, as the driving factors. They gave us direction to proceed with a curb-protected bike lane between Speedway and 6th St, so that's what we're doing.

As for our experience on University Blvd, I am not aware of any evidence demonstrating that the pilot parking-protected bike lane between Stone & 6th Ave resulted in more car/bike crashes, nor is it accurate to say that it was restriped as a result of increased car/bike crashes. The City decided to consistently apply the double-buffered design on University primarily due to loss of on-street parking needed to maintain sight visibility with a parking-protected design along a street with very short blocks. The project on University was a pilot, and we learned a few lessons that we have applied to this project.
Suggestion
Back-in parking is not appropriate here. This is a residential street. There is already a neighborhood parking permit program in place. Adding parking spaces would increase through traffic on a neighborhood street that is very poorly maintained as is.
Suggestion
The 5' grass areas on the Parking Protected Bike Lane should be swapped with the 3' yellow pilons area. So you'd have the 8' parking lane, then a 5' raised grass area, then the 7' Bike Lane...and then move the 3' pilon space as just a space between the Bike Lane and the Sidewalk. You could either do a raised curb for that 5' space separating parked cars and the bike lane or add the yellow pilons in that 5" area. But having a parked cars try to park next to the pilons doesn't seem safe for the cars parking or the bicyclists
Question
Why not design the whole thing to be like the block south of 6th Street? City is very poor at maintaining flex posts. Recent experience on University Boulevard between Stone & 6th Ave clearly demonstrated that placing the bikes on the right side of parked cars resulted in more car/bike accidents - so much so, that it had to be restriped.
Suggestion
Agree with using these bollards. The zebras on Main haven't fared well after the 1st year.
Suggestion
I appreciate this project but it does seem to be that the result is an isolated segment of buffered bike lane. The intention of buffered bike lanes is to make everything more welcoming for new riders. This design spits a rider out with an awkward choice E/SE bound to cross 6th and get on the bike parth, W is good but continuing south involves sharing a dark underpass. I'm hoping that the excellent wraparound option above the 6th ave tunnel will allow people to go W and the cross the train tracks at grade. Otherwise, this project doesn't really result in an effectively safe way to get into downtown. Again, appreciate the intention but until we have a network scale sense of protected bike lanes these little pieces create moments of unease when a rider inevitably gets to the end of them.